8162 A.D. (Earth-5555)
Earth-8162 -where does it fit?
Babyface (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Backbreaker (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Bahlia (Death's Head (FPA) character) - by MarvellousLuke
bears of Goldilux (Death's Head (FPA) story)
Big Shot (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by Per Degaton
Bird (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Blue (Freedom Fighters)
"Brown" (Freedom Fighters)
Buck (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Chain Gang (Dragon's Claws/Death's Head (FPA) foes) - by MarvellousLuke
Collins (Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Colt (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Cousin Bob of Earth-5555 (Jones Boys)
Cousin Rob of Earth-5555 (Jones Boys)
Da Hoods (Death's Head (FPA) foes)
Dead Cert (Death's Head (FPA) character) - by MarvellousLuke
Death's Head (Freelance Peacekeeping Agent) - by Changeling & Snood
The Doctor (Doctor Who) - by Loki
Dogbolter, Josiah W. (Doctor/Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Dragon's Claws (Marvel UK, Death's Head (FPA) allies)
Dragon's Nest (Dragon's Claws base)
Erin (Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Fox (Chain Gang)
Freedom Fighters (Death's Head (FPA) characters) - by MarvellousLuke
Gaunts (Dogbolter agents, Doctor foes)
Goldilux (Death's Head (FPA) story)
Green (Freedom Fighters)
"Greeny" (Death's Head (FPA) character)
"Gut" (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Hank (Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Hob (Death's Head(s) foe) - by Per Degaton
"Incinerator" Jones (Jones Boys)
Intra Venus, Inc. (Doctor/Death's Head (FPA) foes)
Jesters (Dragon's Claws foes) - by MarvellousLuke
Jones Boys (Dragon's Claws/Death's Head (FPA) foes)
Keepsake (Death's Head, Doctor (Who) character) - by Per Degaton
Lorne (Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Mayhem (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Munchkyns of Goldilux (Death's Head (FPA) story)
Nitro (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
North (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Ogrus (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
"Orange" (Freedom Fighters)
Photofit (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Pig (Dragon's Claws' ship)
Plaguedog (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Red (Freedom Fighters)
Royal Palace of Studduj (Death's Head (FPA) story)
Sabre (Chain Gang)
Scarvix (Death's Head (FPA) stories) - by MarvellousLuke
Short Fuse (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Soul, Thaddeus (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by Markus Raymond
"South" (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Spratt (Death's Head (FPA) character) - by MarvellousLuke
Stakks (Death's Head (FPA) characters)
Studduj (xt planet, Death's Head (FPA) story) - by MarvellousLuke
Sudden Impact (Mayhem's team, Death's Head (FPA) foes)
Thea (Death's Head (FPA) foe) - by MarvellousLuke
Trench (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Undertaker (Death's Head (FPA) character) - by Per Degaton
unidentified henchman (Death's Head (FPA) foe)
unidentified henchman (Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Venici, Jules "Kneecap" (Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Vienna (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
vulture (Death's Head/Doctor character) - by Changeling
Wex (Chain Gang)
Wrekka (Doctor foe)
"Yellow" (Freedom Fighters)
Zoot (Sudden Impact, Death's Head (FPA) foe)
Earth-8162 -where does it fit?
Argument#1, by Per Degaton
Arugement#2, by Snood
Argument#1, by Per Degaton
- The Gallifreyan Multiverse, the future year of 8162 is a future for the Doctor Who series. Generally, the Doctor mostly travels to eras within his own universe or multiverse, not other universes or multiverses. He has to take special measures to travel to other universes or multiverses. (The Doctor's universe is presumed to be outside of the Marvel Multiverse due to his generally not encountering counterparts of Marvel characters in his adventures, and most importantly, because he is owned by the BBC.)
- Other characters seen in this 8162 from the Doctor Who stories include Josiah W. Dogbolter, from Doctor Who Monthly#84, 86-87, and #88-89. Dogbolter, a humanoid who resembled a frog, also appeared in Death's Head#8, where he hired Death's Head to kill the Doctor. Death's Head himself was sent to 8162 by the Doctor in Doctor Who Magazine#135, arriving there in Dragon's Claws#5, where he fought the government law enforcement group Dragon's Claws. (As noted under the Circuit Breaker entry, Death's Head immediately previous to his encounter with the Doctor had just escaped a confrontation with Unicron, Scourge and Cyclonus-in the Transformers-UK universe. Due to the presence of counterparts of Spider-Man, Nick Fury, the Savage Land, etc., the Transformers-UK universe is considered possibly part of the Marvel Multiverse. On the other hand, due to the fact that the hierarchy of cosmic characters of both Transformers universes [Unicron, Primus] does not mesh with the usual Marvel assortment of cosmic beings [Eternity, Death, Galactus, Lord Chaos, Master Order, etc.] one could place them in the Marvel Megaverse along with such tertiary realms as Earth-Shadowline. In any event, Death's Head encountered the Doctor at the Crossroads of Time, a point of intersection, a buffer zone between the Doctor Who Multiverse and the Marvel Multiverse/Megaverse.)
- Since Dogbolter had only just developed very crude time-travel technology in the story in Death's Head#8, and thus could not have had the capability to cross multiverses, while Keepsake certainly had no time or dimensional travel capabilities, we can conclude that they were natives of this time and dimension of 8162. This raises an interesting point that Loki has made much of-namely, that would indicate that, although Dragon's Claws was not introduced in a Doctor Who story and is completely owned by Marvel, they are in fact from the Doctor Who multiverse. This has to do with the fact that, after his encounter with the Doctor in Doctor Who Magazine#135, Death's Head had no access to time and dimension travel technology until Dogbolter provided him with a prototype of the Dogbolter Temporal Rocket in Death's Head#8. Thus, all of his adventures took place in the location that the Doctor sent him, and since the Doctor usually travels to realms within his own universe/multiverse, we can presume that he sent Death's Head within such points. Since in their appearances with Death's Head the members of Dragon's Claws were shown as natives of that 8162, by extension, they are denizens of the Gallifreyan Multiverse.
- An interesting sidepoint involves Death's Head's partner Spratt, introduced in Death's Head#1. Spratt became Death's Head's partner soon after Death's Head's initial encounters with Dragon's Claws. In fact, Spratt even followed Death's Head to the Marvel Multiverse, where Death's Head was displaced by the Doctor to again after the events of Death's Head#8 (the Doctor left him on top of Four Freedoms Plaza). Spratt even followed Death's Head to the 2020 that serves as the home of the Arno Stark Iron Man. In fact, Spratt died in this 2020 in Death's Head II I#3. Spratt is interesting, in that he encountered all of these characters from a separate multiverse, and did not seem surprised that they were not fictional characters!
- Let me explain. Past stories have established that characters that are generally unique to certain multiverses are fictional to characters from other multiverses. (Of course, the reason that they tend to be unique to a certain multiverse has to do with the
fact that they are strictly copyrighted and trademarked.)
Somehow, a sort of "bleeding through" occurs by
which certain people become subconsciously aware of
events in other multiverses, and these people tend to be
comic book artists and writers who use these visions for
their work. For concrete examples of this phenomenon, in
the New Universe (which, although owned by Marvel
completely, to preserve a distinctive feel, has been
designated as outside of the multiverse), the X-Men are
only fictional characters-see Starbrand#11-12 for
confirmation. The X-Men do not have counterparts in the
New Universe. Superman/Fantastic Four established that
Superman, of the DC Multiverse/Hypertimelines, is known
on Earth-616 as only a fictional character. Superman does
not have an Earth-616 counterpart. (Incidentally, Thor
and other characters based on folklore and mythology--which
are of course, public domain--are exceptions to this rule.)
- Based on these examples, one would guess
that Iron Man, the Fantastic Four, etc. should have been
known to Spratt as fictional characters. Spratt, though,
does not seem to have ever remarked either way as to
whether Iron Man, the Fantastic Four, etc. were either
known as real, historical personages or fictional
characters in his home era and planet. This may have to
do with the fact that 8162 C.E. represents such a long
time from the 20th and 21st centuries that much knowledge
had been lost. Records and literature from those eras
would not have been available to him due to the
catastrophes that had rocked Earth in the intervening
centuries. Thus, had the Arno Stark Iron Man had a
countepart on his Earth, Spratt would have had no way of
knowing.
Argument Number Two, by ye olde editor,
Snood..
- Earth-616, the mainstream Marvel world,
exists within a single Universe.
A collection of similar, but divergent worlds, such as
Earth X, Earth-MC2, and the What If? worlds, which have a
similar universal power structure exist within the same Multiverse.
An Earth that does not appear to have any similarities to
the universal structure and hierarchy of Earth-616 or
similar worlds, and thus it would be outside of the
mainstream Multiverse, but within the greater Omniverse.
It has been suggested that there may be one more division
present between Multiverse and Omniverse, to link
asociated worlds, such as those linked to Marvel, and to
keep distinct from other such groupings, such as those
associated with DC or other titles. Thus worlds like the New Universe
or the Shadowline
might be contained within the Marvel Megaverse.
- The fact that the Doctor usually does
not travel to another time zone does not make him from
8162, nor part of any particular Multiverse. He is
certainly within the greater Omniverse, but since he is
owned by another group, he may inherently exists outside
of the Marvel Megaverse.
- This is not the case with other
licensed characters, who are definitively within the
Marvel Universe. For example, Godzilla
exists within Earth-616. Marvel can no longer refer to
him by name. Same with Fu Manchu, who is now going by St.
Germaine, as of the last Shang-Chi (MAX) limited series.
Conan the Barbarian has--sigh--also been lost and is now
licensed to...Dark Horse, I think. However, his
adventures as published by Marvel did occur in the past
on Earth-616--just the Robert E. Howard and other Conan
Properties stuff can't be mentioned by name.
- Earth 8162 is a future world. It
should be part of the Marvel Megaverse, if not actually
the Multiverse. Why doesn't Spratt remember anyone? Easy.
How many people do you remember from 4000 BC?
- Is Earth 8162 the future of Earth-616?
Maybe. Until a major point of divergence is shown, it it
a possiblity. Does the Doctor (Who) originate or exist in
Earth 8162? Maybe--as long as BBC would allow it. I don't
think we can pin him down any better than that. He does
exist in the same continuum as the Special Executive--I'd
agree to that much, as long as it's allowed.
- Transformers and GI. Joe will only be
a part of the Marvel Multiverse once they run into
Galactus, the Watcher, Eternity, etc. Is there a place in
the Marvel Multiverse where this is the case? Maybe. We
just can't refer to them by name. These worlds are Marvel
Megaverse possibly, and Omniverse, definitely. Everyone's
Omniverse--Including you, me, Popeye, and Rocky Balboa.
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